(Almost) Steve’s Les Paul Standard

March 30th, 2010

From Andy at Gemini Guitars

“A guitar customer of mine, Steve, has been wanting to get a Les Paul… He called me today to tell me that he bid on one on eBay–a new Gibson LP Standard–and got it for $1500.  He paid for it, then for some reason decided to run the SN through Gibson.  Fake.  Gibson told him that number belonged to a 2000 Sunburst.  I asked him to send me the eBay link so I could see if I could figure out it’s a fake.  He called the seller, and it sounds like the seller didn’t know it was a fake, and agreed to cancel the transaction.”

stevescustomAndy continues;

“Things I see:

  1. TRC is wrong
  2. open-coil pups
  3. pots incorrectly spaced and placed
  4. ?”

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“Is the font wrong on the signature?  Do you see any other giveaways?”

I think the script style font of the Les Paul signature is wrong, often the case with the cheap Chinese copies. Andy is correct in his other observations.

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Other giveaways, the serial number stamp is wrong – Gibson have used the same stamping machine to put serial numbers onto their headstocks since the 8 digit system started. Also the system changed to 9 numbers in July 2005, so a new guitar should have 9 numbers not 8, this serial number points to a guitar made in January 2000. The Gibson logo and open book shape of the headstock are close but wrong. The bridge and stop bar tailpiece are slightly out of line with the fret board, which, due to the technology used today, would never happen on a real Gibson. The tuners appear to be copies of Grovers that you might find on a Les Paul Custom, a new Standard would come with Gibson Deluxe pegs. Spot the usual frets over the binding as well, very common on the fakes.

The previous post touched on people customising/customizing their guitars; This is what Steve wanted to do with the Standard once he got it: HPLP

Wiring, Frets & Hardware.

March 27th, 2010

While commenting on these fake Gibson guitars I often mention frets going over the binding being a giveaway, or the wiring being really bad or the hardware placement being incorrect, but be aware that that is not always a giveaway. The guitars I have pointed out have been advertised for sale as new and therefore it’s easy for me to say that one of the many reasons that such and such is a fake is the bad wiring, or the hardware is wrong etc. However, If the guitar is getting on a bit, maybe a re-fret is done and the new frets appear over the binding. In the world of guitar customisation/customization, people like to rip the guts out of their gear and install new pickups, a different bridge, hell, maybe slap a Floyd Rose tremolo system on there, so you can’t rely on these differences when deciding the authenticity of a used instrument.

The really easy way to know if your looking at a cheap, mass produced, fake Gibson is not always possible from a photo, because it’s all about the angle of the headstock.

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A real Gibson guitar should have a headstock angle of  17 degrees, there is however always an exception to the rule, in Gibson’s case there was a period where the angle was reduced to 14 degrees. Be aware though that a replica Gibson built by a professional luthier probably does have this angle, so the angle rule should not be used to authenticate, just to refute.

There was going to be a joke here based on a double entendre;  ”it’s all about the angle”, but quite frankly it was childish and not that funny, I’ll just leave it at that.

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